I bought my condo and should have
the right to do what I want inside my unit.
Q.
I've just recently moved into my first place.
I'm 22 years old and have been on a great path..I've graduated college
and moving forward with my career. I purchased my condo in a suburb very
close to Chicago, IL. I wanted my freedom, be able to live comfortably
and not to mention the way I like to live! I have a lot of friends and
many of us have just graduated college so we're still having fun. I am
very respectful to my neighbors... I keep noise levels down, I clean
common areas, I try to keep the peace as much as possible but I feel as
if I pay mortgage so I should be able to do whatever I choose in my
owned unit. I am a smoker of marijuana and my boyfriend smokes
cigarettes --now my boyfriend does not live with me so the cigarette
smoke is not constant but when he is there he smokes. The marijuana
smoke is probably constant but I light candles and other things to keep
my neighbors from complaining but I do not think that I should be forced
to go outside every time I smoke... that's the reason I bought a condo
of my own and have no roommates! I should have say so and not be
inconvenienced or deprived my ideology of comfort in my own home. I'm
not sure what I can do to bring this up in our next building meeting ..
I kind of want to bring my lease, documents stating that I can smoke in
my unit, make it where my board can't force me to go outside... I'm just
looking for pointers and advice. ME
A.
Dear
ME: When you live in a multi-family building you cannot do just anything
you want inside your apartment home. Whenever your actions affect the
quality of life for the others the activity must stop. That means loud
music, jumping up and down on the floor if you live above others, and
smoking, which cannot be contained inside the apartment. It makes others
very ill to the point of struggling to breathe, and causing cancer and
heart disease.
The condo board is correct in banning the
indoor smoking.
If you want to smoke inside you need to rent a
single family home where the owner does not care.
Why was I charged for smoking in my apartment?
Q&A.
I recently moved from a place that I
rented for a few weeks over two years and when I signed the lease, there
was no language that explicitly prohibited smoking inside or outside of
the apartment. I smoked outside on the balcony near the living
room...
Smoke of any kind is sucked
back inside a building through windows, doors and any cracks around
them, even when closed.
...and occasionally inside
the living room and always cleaned the carpets, windows and walls
regularly.
Unfortunately the chemicals
in tobacco smoke are dangerous and embed themselves into everything they
touch, making it impossible to clean out – replacement is necessary to
accommodate future residents to protect their health.
I also never smoked in any
other room including the bedroom, bathroom and hallway.
Smoke cannot be contained in
one room of any building. In fact it fills all surrounding apartments
outside the smoked-in apartment as well.
I always left a window open
with a fax fixed to blow the air outside.
There is no air filtration
or fan system that can force all of the chemicals (which cause the
smell) outside to prevent permanent damage.
When I asked visitors if my
place smelled like smoke, no ever replied “yes” or even “a little.”
No one wants to offend or
hurt the feelings of someone who smokes. Non smoking visitors to your
home are not going to make you, their host, feel bad. And if the guest
smokes they will not smell it anyway.
I was informed by the
property manager that they “had to replace all the carpet and primer the
walls due to nicotine damage” and that the full amount for both were
being held from my deposit. There were no burns or damage to the
carpet other than normal wear and tear and in the state of California, I
cannot be charged for painting after two years because of normal wear
and tear.
Carpet and padding
replacement and primer paint is not required when doing normal “touch-up
after normal wear and tear”. The smoke damage is above and beyond. They
were justified in keeping the deposit. You can also be billed (and sued)
for the costs above and beyond your deposit.
They
denied my request for a walk through and never contacted me after I
moved to set one up even though I asked them to. They also failed
to send me a notice in writing during the mandated 21 days and contacted
me by
phone only after I contacted them on the 22nd
day to inquire why I hadn’t received an itemized list or a refund.
In California, I read that I have the right to a full refund if they
fail to contact me within 21 days.
You are absolutely correct
on this one. Take them to court and you “may” get your money back.
Unless you did not give them the correct forwarding address and they
sent it to your old apartment address, receiving it back undeliverable.
Please visit my web site
Smoke-FreeHotels.com when traveling, for a breath of fresh air.
Jacque Petterson
Smoke-free Housing & Travel, LLC
How do I prove smoke is coming
into our office from an apartment downstairs?
Q.
We have an office that was a residential home. Another nail/clinic hair
salon connects to the other side. Both employees smoke outside in the
front of the building. This office has been there for over 20 years.
There is an apartment below and in the back. A recent new hire has taken
off work complaining of cigarette smoking coming in from the bottom
apartment. I do not smell the tobacco smoke, other than the two
employees when they are outside. She insists that the tobacco she says
is affecting the work environment is coming from the downstairs
(basement) apartment. I do not know how she has come to that conclusion.
She has been our employee for two months. Is there any detecting device
that can measure/detect the amount of nicotine in the room? Any comments
or suggestions will be appreciated. Thank you
A.
I
am glad you contacted me rather than just writing off the employee's
concerns. It is very common for someone with health problems exacerbated
by tobacco smoke to notice it when others do not. Just as an example, I
have asthma and my husband and I purchased a condo only to find out the
renters below smoked inside. Neither my husband, nor his family members
that visited, ever smelled the smoke, but it affected my breathing to
the extreme - even sending me to the emergency room. We were forced to
move and sell that home.
There are a
very large number of organizations working on this problem all over the
U.S. and at least five other countries. Within that group are a number
of professionals trying to find a way to "prove" the problem exists. It
only takes a minute amount of tobacco smoke to cause a health problem.
The particles are very fine and embed in the lungs, getting into the
blood stream. Because it only takes a tiny amount to do serious damage
we are finding it difficult to actually "prove" it. Just the fact that
so many are working on this is the only statement I can give you at this
time that explains the problem is very serious and common.
We do know
that tobacco smoke cannot be contained inside even separately enclosed
areas of any building. If air or water can seep through the walls so can
the smoke. The smoke can travel through baseboards, electrical outlets,
even sheetrock. Here are two quotes relating to apartment buildings,
which apply to any building, that may help:
"I believe
there is an enormous amount of pent-up demand for SF multifamily
dwellings. When I was at the EPA's Office of Air Policy Analysis,
as long ago as 1980, smoke infiltration in MFDs (multi-family
dwellings) was the NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT we got from the public."
James
Repace, MSc., Biophysicist
Visiting Assistant Clinical Professor, Tufts Univ. School of Medicine, and
REPACE ASSOCIATES, Inc.
Secondhand Smoke Consultants
101 Felicia Lane, Bowie, MD 20720, U.S.A.
"Air quality surveys in
apartment buildings in Chicago revealed that 60% of the air in
apartments comes from other units."
Diamond RC, Feustel HE,
Dickerhoff DJ. Ventilation and infiltration in high-risk apartment
buildings. LBL Report # 38103 p.4, UC 1600, March, 1996.
Here is a
link to a statement from the
California Air
Resources Board noting the extreme dangers to health of even small
amounts of the smoke from other parts of a building (apartments
specifically noted). Here are links to lengthy scientific documents
filled with a lot of helpful information and showing how convoluted is
the process of "proving" the problem exists:
http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb/monographs/10/m10_2.pdf
/
http://exposurescience.org/pub/reprints/Ott_EHP_1999.pdf
In order to
protect your new employee, not to mention you and your other employees
from developing breathing problems (I have seen this happen many times),
your landlord would need to ban smoking inside the entire building,
requiring all smoking to be outside and at least 50 feet from the
building (50% of the complaints we get are from smoke being sucked back
into buildings from nearby smoking). The landlord should know that it is
perfectly legal to ban smoking inside an apartment, and that they risk a
lawsuit, if not now - eventually, for allowing renters to contaminate
the air for others in the building, causing or exacerbating potential
serious illness. If they would like more information, please ask them to
contact me.
A smoking tenant moved into the
condo above me, and everything I own reeks.
Q.
Please help. A smoking tenant moved into
the condo above me, and everything I own reeks. Please advise.
A.
I
am so sorry you are in this situation. I'm afraid I am not going to give
you the encouraging news you want to hear. You are probably stuck, with
your only option as moving.
What it boils down to is, although we should have the right to a
smoke-free home, outweighing someone else's right to smoke in theirs,
the problem is we are not far enough along in education so the rest of
the world understands this. If it hasn't happened to them they don't
think it's a big deal.
There is no question this is a nuisance that infringes on your right to a
healthy, safe home that you can enjoy (a paragraph in all CC&Rs). There
is no question the smoke travels through the air space owned by the
association. But getting the Board of Directors to understand and agree
is another story.
About your only hope is to find enough people in the building that are
also bothered by the smoke and go as a group to the next meeting
requesting that the building be declared non-smoking, including inside
the units. If your board has never heard of this, they will tell you
they "can't" do that. I have attached to my email reply back to you
enough information for you to copy for them to show they "can" do this.
Some condo associations
that do agree to change the CC&Rs and make a smoke-free building choose
to grandfather the smokers, but this is not necessary, and should not be
done as the smoke is a very serious health risk for you. You will see in
the article attached, "Judge finds shs a nuisance..." this building
changed the rules immediately and it was upheld in court.
The BOD can, though, say
they don't want to get involved, and it is between you and the smoking
neighbor/homeowner. If you were to choose to sue the HOA (i.e. yourself)
and lose, your CC&Rs probably state that you would then owe back all the
legal fees (the reason my husband and I did not sue and my husband is an
attorney). You can sue the neighbor, but again, be prepared for very
high legal bills and little guarantee you will win. There have been
condo owners that have tried this and lost "everything they owned". One
ended up living in a low income apartment with smokers around him.
We are so far from getting the needed changes when it comes to this issue,
but we are making progress. The City of Temecula, California recently
passed an ordinance requiring all apartments to include a minimum of 25%
contiguous smoke-free units. The City of Belmont, CA has just written an
ordinance that will require ALL multi-family housing, including condos
(excluding townhomes), to be 100% smoke-free within the next 18 months
or so. They are expected to pass the ordinance in the very near future.
You should contact your city council rep and state representatives to
tell them about the problem and what these other cities are doing so
they are made aware for future reference. One person, just like you,
convinced the Belmont City Council to take action.
I have been in your shoes and was forced to sell a condo literally to
survive due to my asthma. I loved our condo and still miss it today.
They smoke in our co-op hallways,
stairwells and elevators.
Q.
Would you be able to tell me what my best
course of action is for a Coop
in New York City that allows smoking in hallways and stairwells and
elevators. I am a tenant of an
owner of the coop. I have told her about the smoking and she said she
contacted the property manager but he doesn't get back to her. I
contacted the coop sales and they said others had complained also. He
put signs on every floor. They were taken down within two days. He said
they would go back up. It's been two weeks and nothing. The smoking
continues. It can be seen in the hallways as well as smelled. It smells
up everything I own and takes over my apartment with the stench.
Rent is due in a few
days. I don't want to be accused of not paying yet paying empowers my
landlord to believe she doesn't have to do anything but call the
property manager.
The people also smoke in
their apartments. It leaves burn marks on the wood floors in the living
room and bedroom. I cleaned those marks off they are back again.
Thank you for any help.
Our 311 says to call 911
A.
I
would advise you to pay the rent, but unfortunately if the owners of the
building choose not to create smoking regulations, keep the signs up,
and/or enforce a no-smoking rule you are in a bad position. You should
also know that if you do not already have a respiratory problem made
worse by the smoke (which can be life-threatening for some) you could
actually develop asthma that can last the rest of your life. You really
need to get out of there. If you have a lease that does not expire for
some time I would look through it for a clause that states you are
entitled to a healthy living environment. Maybe you can get a note from
a doctor. I would definitely contact the local health department. You
need to tell your landlord that you cannot live in a smoke-filled home
and need to be released from your lease.
Here is an
article on how co-ops are banning smoking in NY
http://cooperator.com/articles/890/1/No-Ifs-AndsOr-Butts/Page1.html.
This next article notes it may be illegal for people to smoke inside
your hallways and other common areas
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE7D8143FF934A3575BC0A96E948260
. If this is true for your area you may want to call the local police
station (I would not use 911) and ask who would enforce the law. It may
be the fire department or the health department. See how they can help.
You can
also take the articles above to your co-op board and encourage them to
create and/or enforce a no smoking rule.
You must
know though that taking it out of the common areas will not stop the
smoke from filtering from other private units.
My new apartment was previously
rented to smokers. The landlord painted the walls and installed new
carpet, but the smell is horrific.
Q.
I just moved into an apartment that was
previously rented to chain smokers. The landlord installed new carpet
and painted the walls (not the ceiling or the inside of the cupboards).
I am a (outside) smoker, and even to me the smell is horrific!!! It
feels thick on my skin, makes me gag, and has even woken me up at night.
I have a 10 y.o. and a 1 1/2 y.o. and I am wondering if there is any
health effect to my children, just from the smell alone? I set off a
bomb that is supposed to get rid of smells from fires this morning (I
will see how it works when I get home). But I am afraid that it won't
get rid of the harmful gases that have permeated the walls and ceiling.
Also, will the smell get into my food and on my dishes, and if so, is it
harmful for us to digest? This whole situation and doing research on the
internet has definitely inspired me to quit!!! Thank-you in advance for
any information that you might have.
A.
I
am so glad you are making an effort to do the research. I am currently
co-writing an article for the National Apartment Association's magazine
about smoking in apartments. Here is a paragraph from the article that
explains the proper way to prepare a smoked-in unit before new residents
move in.
Kennedy
Restoration, a restoration maintenance company in Portland Oregon, in
developing an estimate of the cost of cleaning a smoker’s apartment
specified the need to replace carpeting and vinyl appliances as well as
possible replacement of other flooring or sub-flooring, lighting
fixtures, cabinets, and ceiling fans. In addition, the company
uses special sealants to control odor before painting. The company
estimated the cost of cleaning a two-bedroom, two-bath smoked-in
apartment at approximately $15,000.
It is very
unlikely your management company did all this before you moved in so
your children are definitely ingesting the left over chemicals that are
"outgassed". I don't believe you have to worry about the food and your
plates, but the air quality is a real problem.
You should
also be aware that even though you are smoking outdoors the chemicals
are embedded in your clothing, hair and skin. When you come near your
children they will be exposed to the same dangerous gases, along with
what comes out of your lungs when you breathe. It is pretty much
impossible to smoke and not cause a problem for your little ones. (Hope
that, too, will give you a boost to quit.)
You are
like many who smoke today in that you do not smoke inside your home and
don't want anyone else's smoke in there, even from residents before you.